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Post by Gaz on Oct 25, 2014 17:06:15 GMT
Trying to avoid the what bike do you suggest question!
Mainly after some thoughts towards certain aspects such as travel etc,
Looking between a few bikes which have either 130mm or 150mm, just wanted your thoughts if i aim to use this for BPW and poss in the Alps.
Also would you advise going for a 1x11 setup. Or would you advise i try it before committing to it on the full suss?
Gaz
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Post by mrzr2005 on Oct 25, 2014 17:31:27 GMT
Trying to avoid the what bike do you suggest question! Mainly after some thoughts towards certain aspects such as travel etc, Looking between a few bikes which have either 130mm or 150mm, just wanted your thoughts if i aim to use this for BPW and poss in the Alps. Also would you advise going for a 1x11 setup. Or would you advise i try it before committing to it on the full suss? Gaz For the alps you need 150mm+ 1x11 or 1x10 is great (1x11 costs a lot) Are you looking for new or used and what wheel size
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Post by Gaz on Oct 25, 2014 17:38:21 GMT
New and 650b, I got few bikes in mind,
150mm wont be to much for local riding ?
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Post by terry on Oct 25, 2014 18:54:43 GMT
My Stumpjumper has a 150/120 dial down fork and was suitable for the Alps and local. Just converted to a 1x10...which has been fine for everything so far. 650b really seems the way to go.
Good time to buy with lots of end of season offers...
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Post by Fishybob666 on Oct 25, 2014 19:03:34 GMT
Modern 150+ bikes are as light and handle better than short travel ones from a few years ago. As Steve said, if you want to have fun in the Alps then go for 150/160. It is probably a bit too much for local riding but it won't hold you back
If you currently have a triple then do a couple of ride only on the Middle ring, it'll give you an idea of what to expect with 1x10
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Post by leed on Oct 25, 2014 19:30:59 GMT
He's the link to the spreadsheet I started when I asked the same question goo.gl/5kDpZsI bought none of them
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Oct 25, 2014 21:52:12 GMT
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Post by mrzr2005 on Oct 25, 2014 21:52:12 GMT
New and 650b, I got few bikes in mind, 150mm wont be to much for local riding ? The YT that jonesy got is a great bike for the cash or I can say and I know mooney will that the nomad c 2015 650b is amazing but not cheap
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Post by Gaz on Oct 25, 2014 22:57:13 GMT
Ok thanx all for comments etc.
Think i got a bike in mind just need to try sort a test ride for it.
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Post by Richard on Oct 25, 2014 23:11:59 GMT
Ok thanx all for comments etc. Think i got a bike in mind just need to try sort a test ride for it. And that is the most important thing - ride it first before you buy
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Post by batbling on Oct 26, 2014 7:29:07 GMT
Ok thanx all for comments etc. Think i got a bike in mind just need to try sort a test ride for it. And that bike is.....
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Post by Lick my Ball Bag on Oct 26, 2014 22:42:28 GMT
Bang for buck, you cannot get better that YT Wicked or Capra (depending on preference and budget) ....but they've sold out for time being.
Email them for availability and buy one.....you will not be disappointed....nothing comes anywhere close for the price
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Oct 27, 2014 8:29:07 GMT
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Post by markhehe on Oct 27, 2014 8:29:07 GMT
Bird Aeris.
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Post by doml on Oct 27, 2014 13:31:50 GMT
You must have 170mm+ for the alps, or you will be legally shot by the Swiss. Anything over 120mm is completely unacceptable to the pitch hill fashion police and therefore will lead to your ridicule and having to play 'soggy biscuit' behind the bus shelter to prove your manliness.
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Post by robmanns2007 on Oct 27, 2014 16:57:05 GMT
Pmsl ^^^^
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Post by timidtim on Oct 27, 2014 17:43:06 GMT
You could look around for a frame that works okay with a large range of fork sizes. Then you could run a 150/160 for the Alps and swap to a 130 for use on local trails.
When I use my Orange aboard I swap to a 140 Fox Vanilla coil fork with the heaviest spring fitted and also swap the shock to a Fox Vanilla coil. It has quite a burly wheel set too. When I get back I put the lighter 130 Revelation air fork back on and swap out the shock for the Manitou air one. Obviously tyres get changed over as well. You might think that's a lot of work but it doesn't actually take that much time to swap things around. Why use coil components? They make the bike heavier and are also less likely to fail, important when you are away.
Just a thought, and I wouldn't recommend you buying an Orange Five. Old hat these days, but there must be something newer in design that you could use similarly.
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Post by robmanns2007 on Oct 27, 2014 23:51:58 GMT
Fives are great! Tried and tested. Do anything bike. Low maintenance single oivot. As Tim says, the build reflects your riding. If it aint broke dont fix it
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Post by Gaz on Oct 28, 2014 6:43:40 GMT
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Post by Lick my Ball Bag on Oct 28, 2014 7:59:40 GMT
hey gaz nice bike....but for that money, I think you can find a bike with better components.... the forks are the more basic RC spec (rather than the RCT3) and the shock is fairly basic ...as are the wheels For example - you could have the Capra for about £2600 (remember to order a spare mech hanger) the spec list is amazing for the price - everything on it is a level or two up on the Whyte www.yt-industries.com/shop/index.php?page=product&info=405
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Post by batbling on Oct 28, 2014 8:35:07 GMT
And the Capra is C innit....
I'd be looking at Cube and Canyon too.
Getting the bike you like is important but do pay attention to the spec. I knew my Com was the bike for me but was aware that the wheels and drivetrain were going to need upgrading at some point. If you don't mind that then specs less of an issue and it's more down to what suits you and your riding (aspirations) best. All my own opinions - others will have theirs !
EXCEPT - don't buy a bike with a S***e fork or shock as they are expensive to upgrade aftermarket.
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Post by robmanns2007 on Oct 28, 2014 9:31:54 GMT
Don't chase a groupset. Buy the best frame fork wheel combo you can. Replace groupset when it wears out. If you can fix stuff yourself buy online.
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Post by doml on Oct 28, 2014 15:53:28 GMT
Second that. Frame fork, and most importantly fit. In a slightly more serious post than my previous one, feeling good on your bike is going to be a far bigger part to the grin factor than 10-15mm difference in travel, or having lx vs xt (old man gruppos). I reckon I had more fun in the alp on my chameleon with an air pike, and wasnt that much slower than on my Vp-free (when your as shit as me difficult to go slower). So as Fifty-Pence( Sorry richard) and others have mentioned go and try a load if possible. Im still stuck with a meta 55 which I bought blind (MBR commie bum lick phase in 07-08) and its 'alright' perfectly enough travel for round here, yet Ive never felt good on it. You'll get more out of 130mm bike that feels right in the Alps, then a 150mm that doesnt have the right geometry for you. Regarding 1x11. Not a clue. But again, for the 2 weeks your in the alps/bpw per year its dead easy to take off a mech and shifter and chuck a chain device on. Rather than not have the bits to run a front mech if you wanted to.
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Post by markhehe on Oct 29, 2014 8:42:53 GMT
Admittedly I've not ridden Mtb in the Alps for 15 years, but when I did ride at portes du soleil it was on 63mm Sid and v brakes. The rims got so hot that tubes were bursting. Op said possibly alps and mainly uk/bpw. Bpw and uk trail centres don't ' need' big travel, bpw is pretty pedally. Point is get the the bike for the majority of your ride not the exception. The Bird Aeris is designed primarily for Scotland/Wales and will be easily good enough for Alps. Local company, excellent spec, back up and direct from the factory. What's not to like? ?
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Oct 29, 2014 9:14:44 GMT
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Post by markhehe on Oct 29, 2014 9:14:44 GMT
You don't even need to take the recommendation of an anonymous numpty from the interweb either, Bird have been winning group tests in the mtb mags too.
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Post by batbling on Oct 29, 2014 15:33:45 GMT
What's not to like? ? Having tried the hardtail I'd say it's worth a look - and you can demo them too !
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Post by markhehe on Oct 30, 2014 9:41:40 GMT
Spot on, give the guys a call to arrange a demo. Ben or Dave will sort you out. They have a couple of demo weekends coming up, FoD 2nd Nov.
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Gaz
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Post by Gaz on Oct 30, 2014 13:42:41 GMT
Ok will look into it thanks for all the comments and input
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